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Can we get /bind mouse2 "+zoom;followprev" as a default cfg ?

The same way follownext is default on mouse1.


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great... so ET and TC:CQB will be bundled as one stand alone game, i like it, this is what i always want TrueCombat to be, a stand alone game...

No, that is exactly what you cannot do according to the Wolfenstein ET EULA.

it will be done anyway, no one really cares about it anymore. it wont be official but people wont care about that either :) (but gotta wait for a stable/maybe final version first anyway, theres no use in making a bundle when there'll be a lot of patches coming up^^)

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Alpha Red wrote:
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great... so ET and TC:CQB will be bundled as one stand alone game, i like it, this is what i always want TrueCombat to be, a stand alone game...

No, that is exactly what you cannot do according to the Wolfenstein ET EULA.


what coroner can do is give it a illusion that it is a stand alone game,
for example: a file that downloads ET and TC:CQB through a installation popup window, in the popup window contains html code, first you have to download ET, than TC:CQB, when it downloads it automaticly installs the files, afcourse you have to choose where you wanna install it in your computer,

examples:
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first you see the first download button on section 1.

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after you completed the download the install button appears so you can install it

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after the download and the installation of section 1 is completed you will see the download button and the install button after you downloaded the file 100% on section 2,

READ ATTENTIVELY:
side note: you will see the normal standard official installation guide for ET when you click the installation button of the download and installation section 1,
this all is an illusion that it is a stand alone game, the popup window i showed on the pictures above are actually just a window with a download website inside the popup window so it is html, so in other words your downloading ET from a website which is legal, and the installation is the standard official installation.

what do you guys think?

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If i understood correctly what Coroner said it will not be a stand alone game just a different folder in ET. No need to get a second ET install.


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Unnecessary.

Installing a game and a mod for it isn't all that complicated. I don't see why it's so important to create an illusion of a standalone game.


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Standalone in fact means only that it will be an independent W:ET mod that does only require W:ET to run. Thus, it will have its own mod folder and will not interfere with an existing TCE.
This decision is based on a couple of considerations. Firstly, TCE can continue existing as it is, secondly, alpha tests will require less download, and finally, potential new players will have a fresh and easier start with installation as well as with the perception of "a new game" of the TC franchise.
An official CQB release as a bundle with W:ET is questionable from a legal point of view, I guess. A single zip file that maintains the independent installers might be possible, but is also questionable. I could speculate that a community release featuring such a handy and very helpful combination wouldn't be official.

Damm >.< i still cant understand how the hell you can do such impresive work like my favourite picture m76 sniper it looks way too cool that wolfenstein limitations pass it through and now blob shadow is gone as floating gun too it just all goes over my mind :s one thing that will be top priority in cqb which everyone have to agree!!! Is dieing animation from wolfenstein... It looks *I need a large hot beef injection ♡*/bad ._. I loved TC death animations

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Or...we can just download WolfET and CQB seperately and then install them. Oh but that is too complicated, we must make it excessively annoying to install.

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what dragonathan suggested was basically already done in .49 (iirc LoK did some autodownloader+installer and the japs are using it too).
but again, coroner wont do that officially (he prolly wont bother to do it unofficially either).
ye it is simple and easy to install it separately but there will be a bundle made by someone anyway (unofficially ofc). so no need to start with crazy ideas of installers now :)

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Wait to get CQB for download, we'll be blablating about the "how noobs could install it easily" later as there is no release planed for now.

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what dragonathan suggested was basically already done in .49 (iirc LoK did some autodownloader+installer and the japs are using it too).
but again, coroner wont do that officially (he prolly wont bother to do it unofficially either).
ye it is simple and easy to install it separately but there will be a bundle made by someone anyway (unofficially ofc). so no need to start with crazy ideas of installers now :)


actually... the installer in 0.49 you couldnt download ET

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Unnecessary.

Installing a game and a mod for it isn't all that complicated. I don't see why it's so important to create an illusion of a standalone game.


so its easier for new players, and so its not legal... im not sure if bundling ET with TC:CQB is legal or illegal...

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i hope the terrorist models will have new skins

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bundling them would be "illegal"

Dragonathan wrote:
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what dragonathan suggested was basically already done in .49 (iirc LoK did some autodownloader+installer and the japs are using it too).
but again, coroner wont do that officially (he prolly wont bother to do it unofficially either).
ye it is simple and easy to install it separately but there will be a bundle made by someone anyway (unofficially ofc). so no need to start with crazy ideas of installers now :)


actually... the installer in 0.49 you couldnt download ET


im not referring to the original/official installer ;)
lok released an unofficial one at some point

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No matter how the installers will work we still have to understand:

1. Having 4 or more files to install tce was a huge failure for people who dont know anything about the game or a computer.
2.Having the amount of files to install also drew away many possible community members for tce.
3.Making things similar for CQB because we think its easy will be another failure if you want to lure in more players. We're use to it, their not.
4.A simple installer is what most players are looking for. No one wants to waste time installing 4 or more different files just to play a free game or even a paid game. Even COD4 gets annoying with having to download all the patches if you want to play latest version.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: CQB has no release date NOR does it say anywhere in Coroners blogs that it will have one.

Chillax and enjoy the possible game we will get. :P


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Ross6056 wrote:
No matter how the installers will work we still have to understand:

1. Having 4 or more files to install tce was a huge failure for people who dont know anything about the game or a computer.
2.Having the amount of files to install also drew away many possible community members for tce.
3.Making things similar for CQB because we think its easy will be another failure if you want to lure in more players. We're use to it, their not.
4.A simple installer is what most players are looking for. No one wants to waste time installing 4 or more different files just to play a free game or even a paid game. Even COD4 gets annoying with having to download all the patches if you want to play latest version.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: CQB has no release date NOR does it say anywhere in Coroners blogs that it will have one.

Chillax and enjoy the possible game we will get. :P


i agree. the less files the better. 1 file to download and install is really enough, and i think the more easier to install the more players you will have,

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